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Garden Reach Shipbuilders จากประเทศอินเดีย ได้ชนะการประมูลเรือฟริเกตของ ฟิลิปปินส์

โดยคุณ : juldas เมื่อวันที่ : 15/05/2016 17:25:07

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/asia-pacific/2016/05/12/grse-export-light-frigates-philippines/84280572/

NEW DELHI — In a major win for the Indian warship building industry, India's state-run Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE) Ltd has emerged as the winner for Philippine Navy's big-ticket modernization program.

GRSE was the lowest bidder to supply two light frigates and hopes to seal the contract worth more than $321 million in the next two months, said one GRSE official.

A total of four firms joined the bidding for the Philippine Navy project: GRSE; Hyundai Heavy Industries Inc. and Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co. Ltd., both from South Korea; and Navantia S.A. of Spain.

GRSE, administered by the Indian Ministry of Defence, has built 95 warships, including frigates, corvettes and fast patrol boats, since 1960.

GRSE's light frigate will be a design based on the Indian Navy's Kamorta-class anti-submarine corvette and will be capable of withstanding Sea State 7, which means it can withstand a wave height of up to 9 meters.

The 2,000-tonne frigate will be 95 meters long, have a combined diesel and diesel (CODAD) configuration propulsion system and be able to work in an area contaminated with nuclear, biological, and chemical agents.

In addition, it will have a tactical data link and radio capable of tactical communication. The frigates will have 76mm naval guns and fire control radar with a built-in electro-optical tracking system integrated into the Combat Management System (CMS).

The state-owned Goa Shipyard is also building two OPVs for the Sri Lankan Navy under India's government-to-government exchange agreement with Sri Lanka. First OPV will be delivered by end of this year and second OPV by middle of next year.





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แบบเรือ คงมาจากพื้นฐานแบบเรือ Kamorta Class ของ ทร.อินเดีย...แต่คงไม่ใช่แบบเรือแบบเดียวกัน

เพราะแบบเรือ P-28 ของ ทร.อินเดีย จะมีระวางเรือประมาณ 3,500 ตัน...

 


โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 09:45:57


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ถ้าดูจากแบบที่ GRSE นำเสนอให้กับ ทร.ฟิลิปปินส์

 



โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 09:47:03


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แบบเรือน่าจะเป็น แบบเรือที่ในช่วงแรกของโครงการ ที่เป็นเรือ Light Frigate สำหรับ ปราบเรือดำน้ำ

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/p-28-design.htm

 

Kamorta Project 28 ASW Corvette - Design

Displacing around 2500 tons and with a length of around 110 meters, this vessel is a corvette in name only - it is actually closer to a small frigate.

According to one account, the P-28 would displace 1,800 tons light, with dimensions of 94 m length, 13m beam, and 3.5 m draft. The CODAG propulsion system, comprising twin gas turbines, twin diesel engines and twin diesel generators would drive two-shaft, controllable-pitch propellers. The corvette would have a maximum speed of 27 Knots, range of 4,000nm, endurance of 15 days and a crew compliment of 85. The helicopter deck would be able to house either the dipping sonar-equipped Ka-28PL or Naval HAL Dhruv.

Armament details were not entirely clear, though it seemed to include an OTOBreda 76/62 main gun, twin 12-barrelled RBU-6000 ASW mortar launchers, twin ILAS triple-tube torpedo launchers for launching Franco-Italian MU-90 lightweight torpedoes, and one 16-cell Israeli Barak-1 VLS anti-missile defence system.

By one account they would include an eight-cell vertical launched Klub-N 220km-range supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles, and another account mentions Two AK-630M CIWS (Close In Weapon System). Russia's AK630, with associated MR-123 ('Bass Tilt') radar, is a compact mounting weighing only 3.7 tonnes (loaded) and the Gatling-principle 30 mm gun of 5000 rounds/min and a range of up to 2.5 nm (five km).

Yet another report from 2007 claims that the Novator 3K54TE Granat (SS-N-21 'Sampson') had been selected for India's latest Project 28 corvettes. This sub-sonic weapon is part of the Club family and is unusual in being vertically launched as well as weighing a whopping 3665 kg, yet its range is only 120 nm (220 km). This weapon uses inertial navigation and active radar homing Active radar homing is a missile guidance method in which a guided missile contains a radar transceiver and the electronics necessary for it to find and track its target autonomously. NATO brevity code for an active radar homing missile launch is Fox Three.

The Barak Weapon System seemed to be the favored missile, over the Shtil, in newer IN ships. The missile features command-to-line-of-sight guidance with Elta EL/M-2221GM weapon control radars and is housed in vertical cell clusters which may be inserted in the hull or superstructure or distributed around the deck. The missile has a range of 6.5 nm (twelve km) and, like many, it can be used not only against manned or unmanned aircraft but also to help shield against anti-ship missiles.

The 76-mm gun offered the optimum between low mass and high effect with the twelve-kg rounds being useful not only in the ASuW role but also in the Naval Gun Fire Support (NGFS) role at ranges up to 10.75 nm (20 km) while the high rate-of-fire (85 rounds/min) provides a degree of AAW capability. Corvette customers increasingly select the Super Rapid version of the mounting with improved feed and hoist systems, which permit 120 rounds/min.

Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (Wass) and DCNS combined efforts to produce the MU-90 Impact torpedo to be used in India's Project 28s and possibly by Poland's Gawrons. This has a maximum range of 7.25 nm (13.5 km) with a maximum speed of up to 50 knots and a more advanced guidance system than the A 244/S which would probably be used by India's Project 28. This weapon is licence-produced by Bharat Electronics in India.

The EMDINA combat management system (CMS) was originally co-designed by the Indian Navy's Weapons and Electronic Systems Engineering Establishment (WESEE) and TATA Power as part of project MEDINA. This centralised CMS architecture has been adopted for the Navy's three Project 17 guided-missile frigates (FFG), three Project 15A guided-missile destroyers (DDG), and the four Project 28 ASW guided-missile corvettes.

Garden Reach Shipbuilding & Engineering Ltd (GRSE) showcased a representative scale model of the Project 28 ASW corvette at the 11th Defence Services Asia exhibition (DSA 2008) held in the Malaysian capital city of Kuala Lumpur from April 21 to 24 2008. The frigate's main mast carried the 2.5-tonne Revati radar, an EL/M-2221 STGR fire-control radar illuminator for the Barak-1, as well as a BEL-built Shikari (THALES' Flycatcher) fire-director of the main gun. The first four planned Project 28 ASW corvettes, each costing Rs7 billion, would also have on board the ELBIT Systems-built Deseaver decoy dispensers onboard.

The ASW corvettes, deemed Kamorta class ships- with more than 80 per cent indigenous content and capable of fighting under NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) environment, are designated as super-sophisticated frontline warships with stealth features. The 109-metre long and 12.8-metre wide ship with an approximate displacement capacity of 3,000 tons can achieve a maximum speed of 25 knots. The ship, powered by four 3888 KW diesel engines at 1,050 rpm, has an endurance to cover nearly 3,450 nautical miles at 18 knots and can carry a helicopter on board. Each ship can accommodate 17 officers and 106 sailors. The anti-submarine warfare capability is largely achieved due to the low signature of radiated underwater noise. The ship having indigenous weapon and sensor suites is equipped with super-rapid gun mounting, anti-aircraft guns, torpedo launcher, rocket and chaff launchers. The ship fittings include early warning, navigation, fire control radars and undr-water sensors with integrated communication and electronic warfare systems.

This was the first ship in the country built with a composite superstructure. The superstructure made of carbon fibre composite material has been successfully integrated with the main hull of the ship. Besides reducing the top weight, it would provide improved stealth features and reduce life cycle maintenance costs. The ship's hull form is highly efficient with excellent sea-keeping and manoeuvrability characteristics having an overall length of 109 metres. The ship can cut through the sea at a very high speed of 25 knots. Hull of the ship is built with warship-grade high tensile indigenous steel.

The ship's advanced stealth features would make her less susceptible to detection and help in effective deployment of soft kill measures. The ship would be fitted with complete indigenous state-of-the-art weapons and sensors, including a medium range gun, torpedo tube launchers, rocket launchers and close-in weapon system. These ships are also equipped with a Bow mounted Sonar and are capable of deploying a helicopter, adding considerable punch to the ship's anti-submarine capability. These ships also feature an advanced Integrated Platform Management System for controlling and co-ordinating the propulsion, auxiliary and power generation equipment.

The new P-28 ASW corvettes also mark many firsts including introduction of the 'rail-less helo traversing system' to handle a helicopter on board the ship, foldable hangar door, use of indigenous DMR 249A steel and carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP) superstructure integrated with the steel hull of the ship.

โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 09:52:45


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ส่วน ฮ.ปราบเรือดำน้ำ ประจำเรือ ก็เป็นที่แน่นอนว่า คือ AW-159

Philippine navy orders two AW159 Wildcats

  • 31 March, 2016

    Finmeccanica has announced the Philippine navy will acquire two AgustaWestland AW159 Wildcat anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare rotorcraft under a contract valued at €100 million ($114 million).

    The helicopters will be delivered from the manufacturer’s Yeovil, UK site in 2018, with the contract including training and support.

    In addition to the anti-surface and anti-submarine roles, the rotorcraft could be used for search and rescue and maritime surveillance tasks, Finmeccanica says.

    The Wildcat is in service with the UK's Royal Navy and Army Air Corps, with eight more on order with launch export customer the Republic of Korea Navy. A first delivery to the latter is pending, after an expected schedule of 2015.

    Total orders for the type amount to 72, Finmeccanica says, and Flightglobal’s Fleets Analyzer database shows a combined 48 Wildcats have been delivered to the British Army and RN. The latter deployed the new model on board its Type 23 frigate HMS Lancaster in early 2015.

    The two AW159s will join Manilla’s modest naval rotorcraft fleet, which consists of five AgustaWestland AW109Es, Fleets Analyzer shows.


โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 09:56:36


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Philippine Navy Frigate Acquisition Project Revised Technical Requirements – February 2016

February 21, 2016

The bidding for the Philippine Navy’s new Frigate Acquisition Project officially resumed when the Department of National Defense (DND) posted recently on the official Philippine Government Electronic Procurement System (PhilGEPS) website the schedule of the Bid Submission and Opening of the Second or Final Stage of the bidding. It was initially set for February 16, 2016,[1] but was later reset to March 3, 2016,[2] then reset again to March 10, 2016.[3] Along with the initial announcement, they also published a REVISION to the specifications of the Frigates, and it is quite long at over 71 pages.[4]

The revisions resulted in a more detailed and comprehensive technical specifications compared to it was before,[5] thanks probably in no small part to help from the P 25 million Consultant/s that they hired[6] and also from the Technical Working Group (TWG) that helped review the bids.[7] The revisions are quite numerous, so I am just summarizing on what I think are the most important and interesting ones. If you want to read the old and new specifications yourself, just refer to the End Notes.[4][5]

SHIP CHARACTERISTICS
* From none specified to a minimum length of 95 m.

* From none specified to a minimum weight of 2,000 tons.

* Additional requirement to the Propulsion System, it has to be a Combined Diesel and Diesel (CODAD) type.

* From none specified to requirement for Stealth characteristics against Radar, Infra-Red and Sonar Sensors.

* Additional requirement for the Ownership of the Design or License-building of the ship by the Navy.

* From none specified to requirement to meet DDS-079-01 Military/Naval specifications for the stability of the ships, the same standards used by the United States (US) Navy.

WEAPONS
* From none specified to space and power allowances for an 8-cell Vertical Launch System (VLS), a Close-In Weapons System (CIWS) and a Towed Array Sonar (TAS) for future upgrade.

* Additional requirement for the main gun to have a minimum rate of fire of 120 rounds per minute. This rules out the older Oto Melara Compact 76 mm gun that our Del Pilar and Jacinto class are using, and puts the newer Oto Melara Super Rapid (SR) cannon as the ONLY candidate out there are there no other naval gun with a 76 mm caliber that has this rate of fire.

* Additional requirement for the secondary naval gun to have a caliber of 30-40 mm. One of the more common naval guns within those calibers is the Oerlikon 35 mm Millenium Gun, so the suppliers could go for that.

* From Primary and Secondary Guns to be installed to none specified.

* From a 50 km minimum range for the Anti-Ship Missiles (AShMs) to a minimum range of 150 km. This puts the minimum to be in the class of the RGM-84 Harpoon Block II missile.

* From a quadruple launcher for the Surface to Air Missiles (SAMs) to two twin-tube launchers. This puts the minimum to similar to the Mistral Simbad or the Dual-Mount Stinger (DMS) systems.

* From a defined minimum number of Ammunition, Missiles and Torpedoes to none.

SENSORS
* From a 2D Radar with a minimum range of 148 km to a 3D Radar with a minimum range of 185 km for air targets.

* Additional requirement of Medium Frequency for the Active mode and Low Frequency for the Passive mode for the Sonar System.

OTHER EQUIPMENT
* From a general specification for Tactical Data Link (TDL) to a more specific one, for Link 16 and 22.

* From none specified to a Satellite Internet Access (for Facebooking! Don’t take this seriously, folks, just kidding …)

* Additional requirement against Torpedoes for the Decoy System.

* Additional requirement to up to 12 tons weight rating for the Flight Deck only. The hangar requirement remains at 10 tons only.

* Additional requirement for Close Circuit Television (CCTV) Cameras from just a few portions of the ship to almost all throughout the entire ship; Additional requirement also for the CCTV Cameras to meet Military specifications for Shock, Vibration, etc.

’Future Upgrades’
One of the good things about this new revision is the option for future upgrades. Before, there was no such options whatsoever, but now they do for the VLS, CIWS and the TAS. The specified allowance for a VLS with a height or length of 5.3 m jibes with the shortest of the Mk41 VLS, the Mk 41 VLS Self-Defense Module.[8] This module allows the “quad-packing” (i.e., four per cell) of the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM), each of which has a range of 50 km.

And with a requirement of eight cells, that means a total of 32 ESSMs could be carried by the ship. If and when in the future the Navy avails of this option, then we will have a ship that is not only capable of defending itself, but other ships as well if needed. The future option for a TAS is also important as that it will allow better Submarine detection by the ship.

For the CIWS, if they take up that option also in the future and choose something like the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM), then that would make for a vastly improved CIWS against aircraft and missiles with the RAM’s larger 12 kg warhead and longer 9 km range compared to the Mistral/Stinger-type missiles.

’Stealth Features’
Another good thing included in the revision is the requirement for Stealth features or characteristics. Whereas before there was no mention of it, now there is a STRONG emphasis on stealth against Radar, Infra-Red (IR) and Sonar Sensors. To reduce the Radar Cross Section (RCS) of the ship, for example, the requirement is for the Hull and Superstructure to be sloped, and to minimize angles formed between two (Dihedrals) or three (Trihedrals) surfaces as much as possible.

Complex structures are to be avoided, and Meshes or Grids must cover all openings. To reduce the IR signature of the ship, Insulation is required on high heat areas, and cooling systems must be in place for heat sources located in the outer surfaces. And to reduce its Sonar signature, low-noise equipment should be used and they should be mounted on mounts that dampen noise and vibration. Other equipment for reducing the noise of the Hull and Propellers are also required. Frankly before I wasn’t sure if these could be incorporated into the ship at the budget that we have, but apparently they can be, so now they have added these requirements in place.

’Design Ownership and License Building’
There is also now a requirement for the winner of the bidding to either grant ownership of the design to the Navy, or at least allow them to license build the design. This is a common practice in some navies, which is why you see ships being built in batches by different manufacturers.

This should also make the people insisting that we build these types of ships locally happy because it will allow the Navy to build the next batches in local shipyards, although I think our local shipbuilders will likely go and partner with foreign companies that have a lot of experience in naval shipbuilding in order to do this the proper way.

It’s likely that most if not all suppliers will choose to go with the License building rather than give away the design of the ship to the Navy for free because even if they do so, it won’t help them win the bidding as our laws require that the winner be based on the lowest price that can meet the specs. Unless of course the bidding rules allow them to factor that in to the price, but I am now sure how they can go about it.

As for the license building requirement, it is pretty general, so I think the suppliers will formulate the specific terms to be as advantageous to them as much as possible.

’ASW Helicopter and Torpedo’
A bonus provided from the revised document is that it showed us a glimpse on the likely Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) Helicopter and its Torpedo that will be used with these Frigates. The last we heard about the ASW Helicopter was that AgustaWestland with their AW159 Wildcat Helicopter was undergoing Post-Qualification checks after the bidding,[9] and in the document the Wildcat was featured prominently, with an illustration of it and the new Hangar dimensions also based on it on page 71. So it looks like that will definitely be the Frigate’s ASW Helicopter.

Another interesting clue is the mention of the “Blue Shark Torpedo” for the helicopter on page 46. This is the K745 Blue Shark Light Weight Torpedo (LWT)[10] made by the South Korean company, LIG Nex1. It is also known as the Chung Sang Eo in Korean, it entered service with the South Korean Navy in 2005, and has a top speed of 45 knots.

’Minor Torpedo Issue’
One thing I noticed with the revised specs though, is that it doesn’t require the Torpedo used by the Ship and its Helicopter to be the same, but I think it should. So if the AW159 is using the Blue Shark torpedo, then the ship should also. Maybe the Navy is thinking of using a better Heavy Weight Torpedo (HWT) which has a more powerful warhead and longer range, but as far as I know these HWTs are almost exclusively used by Submarines only these days, very few ships use them.

Most ships use LWTs instead like the Blue Shark, probably because a Helicopter with a LWT can reach a target faster than any HWT can. Now if the ship ends up getting a different LWT than the Blue Shark, then that means having two different types of LWTs, and I don’t think that is ideal. This is because after some time when the LWTs need to be checked or refurbished, then we might end up approaching two different suppliers.

However, for me this is just a minor issue, especially if the non-Blue Shark LWT can also be used by the Wildcat. That means having two different LWTs won’t make much of a difference from the Point of View of Use.

’Midnight Deal Deadline’
Since the Bid Submission and Opening is now scheduled for March 10, 2016 (as of this writing), then to me this means that the project will now be part of the “Midnight Deal” transactions that the next incoming government will automatically review once it sits into power. This is because the Bid Submission and Opening is just one of the many steps in our long and complex bidding process, and according to the lead times provided by the Philippine Government’s Manual of Procedures for the Procurement of Goods and Services (GMPPGS),[11] it will take another 67 days, or more than two months for the whole process to be completed even if no problems are found.

Below is the approximate process flow of the bidding starting from the final Submission and Opening of the Bids with their lead times, taken from the GMPPGS. Of course the lead times are just guides and they actually could do it faster, but given the complexity of this project and the usual Red Tape of securing document approvals at each stage, then it might really well end up that long.

 

The approximate, partial Process Flow of the bidding process starting from the Submission and Opening of the Bids.The approximate, partial Process Flow of the bidding process starting from the Submission and Opening of the Bids.

 

I think the deadline for “Midnight Deals” is on March 9, 2016, or 60 days before the May 9, 2016 elections. Actually the minimum timeframe for such deals is 30 days before the elections, but there is no clear definition on what the maximum timeframe should be. It could be just 45 days before the elections, or maybe even more than 60 days. In my case, I am only assuming it will be 60 days.

’No Ammunition for the Weapons’
The biggest issue with this revision though is the status of the weapons. The Supplemental Bid Bulletin (SBB) number DND-PN-FAP-16-03[12] on page 3 changed the description of the project to just “The Acquisition of Two (2) Units New Construction Frigates”, removing the “With Ammunition” phrase that was present before. “Ammunition” is defined by Dictionary.com as “any projectile such as bullets, rockets, missiles, etc, that can be discharged from a weapon”. So no ammunition means no rounds for the guns and no missiles or torpedoes will be included in this bidding.

The main and secondary guns will be installed, as well as the launchers for the missiles and torpedoes. Without ammunition, it is likely that only the main gun would be operational when the ship arrives as the Oto Melara SR Gun is compatible with the ammunition used by the older Oto Melara Compact Guns of our other ships. The secondary gun would be doubtful even if a 30 or 40 mm caliber gun is used because the similar caliber ammunition that we have in our inventory might not be compatible with them as there can be several sub-variants of ammunition for the same caliber.

’Consequences’
With only limited weapons available, the ships will not be fully mission-capable, and with no budget for the ammunition visible as of now, this puts the responsibility of buying them on the next Administration. Now if that Administration turns out to be not as supportive of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) Modernization, then these ships would end up without advanced weapons.

This could partly explain the long delivery time of these ships, four years for just two of them. This gives the Navy more time to hopefully convince and secure the budget and conduct the bidding for the weapons or ammunition within the next Administration. Now if that doesn’t work out, then at least when the ships arrive, it won’t be too long of a wait until the next Administration is elected, and hopefully that Administration will finally allow the weapons/ammo for these ships to be bought.

I initially had reservations about buying just the launchers because those have limited compatibilities and thus would limit us to what weapons to buy later. I thought it would’ve been better to just get the launchers and missiles at the same time so we will have more options on what to buy. But then again maybe the Navy wanted to have the fastest and easiest integration of the weapons with the Combat Management System (CMS) and other systems as possible when we finally buy them.

With the launchers already there, then it will almost be just like “Plug and Play” once they arrive. Assuming of course that it won’t take us decades to buy those ammo because if so, then newer versions could be available and they might not necessarily be as compatible anymore.

’Parting Shot’
I would say that most of the changes made were for the better and ensured that the best ship possible will be bought, despite the deletion of the ammunition. With the ships only partially armed, the acquisition of the ammunition will be very critical because if we don’t get them, then we will end up with expensive ships that can’t do their intended jobs effectively.

As for the bidding itself, in all likelihood it will be completed past the Midnight Deal deadline, or worst case is that it won’t even be completed when PNoy’s terms ends in June 2016. So hopefully it will be thorough enough to withstand the scrutiny of the next Administration. At any rate, we’ll just have to wait and see …

Side view illustration of the AW159 Wildcat. Illustration taken from the Department of National Defense (DND) document DND/PN-FAP-16-01.Side view illustration of the AW159 Wildcat. Illustration taken from the Department of National Defense (DND) document DND/PN-FAP-16-01.

โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 09:59:41


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เท่าที่ติดตาม ระบบการจัดหาอาวุธ ของ ฟิลิปปินส์ แล้ว...การเปิดเผยข้อมูล เขา โครต โปร่งใส กว่า ประเทศไทย มาก ๆ ครับ...

และสำหรับเหล่าทัพในประเทศไทย ถ้าเทียบทั้ง 3 เหล่าทัพ...กองทัพเรือ ก็จัดเป็น กองทัพที่ดูมีความเปิดเผย สามารถจะตรวจสอบได้ มากกว่า เหล่าทัพอื่น ๆ...

ก็อย่าให้ โครงการ เรือดำน้ำ...เป็น โครงการที่ แปะเปื้อน ความขาวที่เคยทำกันมารักันครับ...

เหล็กในเนื้อตน...อย่าให้ จางหายไป...ได้โปรดอย่าให้ คำว่า..สักแต่ว่า มี...เกิดขึ้น กับ โครงการ เรือดำน้ำไทย เลย...

โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 10:04:48


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ดีใจกับอินเดียด้วยครับ แอบเชียร์มาตลอด รอดูกันต่อไปว่าแบบเรือจะมีหน้าตาแบบไหน แต่ราคาไม่แพงเลยได้ลานจอดฮ.12 ตันด้วย

 

ขณะที่โครงการเรือ Strategic Sealift Vessels (SSV) หรือเรือ LPD ของเขาทั้ง 2 ลำเป็นไปตามภาพครับ ไวมาก

เรือ LCU

โดยคุณ superboy เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 11:13:19


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มูลค่าโครงการ เรือฟริเกตปราบเรือดำน้ำพร้อม ฮ.ประจำเรือ รวม 435 ล้านเหรียญสหรัฐ ถัวเฉลี่ย ลำละ 218 ล้านเหรียญสหรัฐ พร้อมปราบเรือดำน้ำแล้ว... เก่งใช้ได้ครับ ฟิลิปปินส์ คราวนี้ก็คงต้องลุ้นว่า เรืออินเดีย กับ เรือจีน ใครจะคุณภาพดีกว่ากัน
โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 11:56:32


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.....ราคาตัวเรือ 2 ลำ มากกว่า 321 ล้านดอลล่าร์  เฉลี่ยก็ลำละ 160 ถึง 170 ล้านดอลล่าร์

.....คาดว่าราคาที่ระบุไว้  มันยังไม่ได้รวม  ไอ้ที่เค้าต้องการ  แต่ยังไม่ได้ตัดสินใจซื้อ  มีอีก หลายอย่าง....

.....ที่แน่ๆ คือ มิสซาย พื้นสูงพื้น และ SAM ระยะสั้น (ซึ่งผมว่า เค้า...โห้ย..หา...มันอย่าง..มากมาย ครับ)

.....ผมเดาว่า ยังไงพวก "ปิน" ก็คงติดตั้ง "พื้นสูงพื้น" และ "SAM ระยะสั้น"  ในเรือชุดนี้แน่นอน ครับ

.....หากติดใจ  "ปิน" คงไม่หยุดที่ 2 ลำแน่นอน  คงมีมาเพิ่มอีก  

.....และขนาดระวางเรือคงต้องเพิ่มขึ้นอีก  เพราะบ้านเค้านี่  "พายุ"  "ครื้นลม" มัน ใหญ่ๆ  ทั้งนั้น

.....แต่เท่าที่  ติดตามข่าวต่างๆ  รู้สึกว่า  เค้าซื่อๆ  อยากได้อะไร  ก็พูดออกมาตรงๆ  ดี  ครับ

.....แต่ตัดสินใจ  ซื้อยากมาก  คือพิจารณา  รายละเอียด  รอบด้านจริงๆ......

โดยคุณ airy เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 15:33:01


ความคิดเห็นที่ 10


จัดทำข้อมูลมาให้ครับว่า โครงการ เสริมสร้างสมรรถนะของ กองทัพฟิลิปปินส์ มีสำเร็จไปกี่โครงการแล้วบ้าง

ผมใช้เฉพาะของ กองทัพอากาศ และ กองทัพเรือ นะครับ...ไม่รวม กองทัพบก...เพราะในส่วนของ กองทัพบก มีการปรับปรุงน้อยมาก...

 

 


โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 16:32:29


ความคิดเห็นที่ 11


โครงการที่ยังไม่สำเร็จ ผมจะ ทำแถบสีเทา ไว้นะครับ...

กองทัพอากาศ จำนวน 11 โครงการ สำเร็จไปแล้ว 7 โครงการ ยังรออีก 4 โครงการ

กองทัพเรือ จำนวน 10 โครงการ สำเร็จไปแล้ว 5 โครงการ ยังรออีก 5 โครงการ

นี่เป็นส่วนของการพัฒนา เฟส ที่ 1

ซึ่งตามข่าว จะยังมีอีก 2 เฟส เป็น Horizon 2 กับ 3 รวมมูลค่าโครงการประมาณ 1 ล้านล้านเปโซ หรือประมาณ 22,300 ล้านเหรียญสหรัฐ

 

โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 16:40:17


ความคิดเห็นที่ 12


....เดา.....

 


โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 19:40:33


ความคิดเห็นที่ 13


...เดา...2


โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 14/05/2016 20:47:34


ความคิดเห็นที่ 14


ถ้าเอาตามแผนปรับปรุงที่ให้แบบเรือเตรียมพื้นที่ไว้ให้ (MK-41 VLS for ESSM, RAM CIWS,TAC) ก็จะกลายเป็นเรือรบขนาด 2,000 ตันที่ติดอาวุธเยอะมาก ราคาอาวุธทั้งลำน่าจะแพงกว่าตัวเรือด้วยซ้ำกระมังครับ

 

รอบชิงอินเดียเสนอราคาต่ำสุดคือ  P15.047 billion ส่วน Hyundai ของเกาหลีใต้เสนอราคา P15.744 billion

 

แต่อยากเห็นเรือลำนี้ติด PHAROS fire control radar ที่ Thales กับ BEL พัฒนาร่วมกันจัง

โดยคุณ superboy เมื่อวันที่ 15/05/2016 08:56:27


ความคิดเห็นที่ 15


น่าจะเป็นสเปค ระวางขับน้ำ ไม่ต่ำกว่า 2,000 ตัน...แต่คิดว่า เรือลำนี้ ระวางขับน้ำสูงสุดน่าจะประมาณ 2,300 - 2,500 ตัน...

และผมว่า โครงการปรับปรุงในอนาคต น่าจะเป็นช่วงครึ่งอายุใช้งาน 15-20 ปีข้างหน้า...หรืออาจจะรอช่วง งบประมาณ Horizon 2 ออกมาใหม่...

ซึ่งน่าจะหมายถึง ฟิลิปปินส์ น่าจะมีการจัดหาเรือพิฆาตเข้าประจำการ...เรือชุดนี้ อาจจะนำร่อง ติดตั้งระบบพวกนี้ เพื่อใช้หาประสบการณ์ก่อน เรือชุดใหม่...

ที่น่าลุ้น ก็คงเป็น โครงการ เรือดำน้ำ...ถ้าให้....เดา.....เรือดำน้ำ มือสอง จาก เกาหลีใต้...อาจจะเป็น โครงการนำร่อง ของ เรือดำน้ำ ลำแรกของ ทร.ฟิลิปปินส์....

โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 15/05/2016 10:56:03


ความคิดเห็นที่ 16


ประเมินแผนการประจำการ เรือดำน้ำ ของ ทร.เกาหลีใต้...โดย อัตราบรรจุ จะมีระหว่าง 18 - 22 ลำ...

ซึ่งถ้า เกาหลีใต้ จะจำหน่าย เรือดำน้ำมือสองได้...ก็น่าจะเป็นช่วงปี 2022 เป็นต้นไป หรือปี 2565...ซึ่งจะเป็นปีที่ เกาหลีใต้ เริ่มประจำการด้วย เรือดำน้ำ KSS-3 เรือดำน้ำระวาง 3,000 ตัน...

 

 


โดยคุณ juldas เมื่อวันที่ 15/05/2016 11:44:16


ความคิดเห็นที่ 17


เรือชุดนี้เหมือนเป็น ก้าวกระโดษของ ทร ฟิลิปินส์เลยนะครับเนี่ย.....และถ้าจัดหาเรือดำน้ำเข้าประจำการ ก็ โหดขึ้นอีก..  แต่จะถึงเรือพิฆาตเลยหรอครับ??? 5555

โดยคุณ akekolos เมื่อวันที่ 15/05/2016 17:25:07